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Post by wonderbugg on Oct 19, 2016 14:38:24 GMT
I'm hoping someone can help me. You are the only people who can truly relate. I do NOT want to discourage anyone. In fact, I'm looking for a little more courage in answer to this question. I'm wondering if any of you struggle with the same question. I have no one else to ask. Here goes: I read tons in the Bible about suffering. How it is good to suffer for the cause of Christ...etc. When I see someone who is disabled and speaks about their faith growing I GET that. People are encouraged by their bravery and faith. Or some missionary who suffers percecution to spread the Gospel. Like, sure, of course, it's encouraging others. But my pain...losing a daughter who was so close and her 3 beautiful sons who were my utter delight... People just look at me like I must be a failure. Or they treat me like a leper. My pain is too much to bear. How on earth can my suffering be for the cause of Christ??? How on earth does this bring glory to God? Sure, if we are reunited and have a glorious testimony. But what if that never happens? I've struggled with even asking. But these questions haunt me. This pain IS different and peculiar. I want more than anything for my life to count as gain for Christ. But all I see is loss loss loss. I don't feel like someone facing this kind of persecution with courage. I can't say "but this is for Christ! rejoice!" , It's all I can do just to get up in the morning. Every day I'm just sorry I still woke up. If your child or grandchildren die (Oh PLEASE do NOT misinterpret this!) Then people can say, "that's the worst pain I can imagine. Your faith is so encouraging" But with being forsaken...I think it in some ways it is worse than death. There's no funeral, no finality, no flowers, no memorial. Just denial. Just more ostrisizing. I hope someone here can understand what I mean. It's such a lonely road. I can't imagine doing this without the Holy Spirit. I truly can't imagine. But I have found I have to keep my pain a secret or risk more shunning. Even by other Christians. Please help me through this day. It's been 4 yrs.
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Post by wonderbugg on Oct 19, 2016 17:25:31 GMT
Did I hit a nerve? Was I too vulnerable? Too weak? I didn't mean to be. Just looking for some purpose in this intense suffering. Yes. I'm closer to Jesus now. He is my everything. But no one I know seems inspired by that. Except you guys. And wow do we need each other. Maybe I will never know a purpose for this on this side of heaven. I was just hoping someone had grappled with this and had some way to help me stop drifting.
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Post by wonderbugg on Oct 19, 2016 17:49:12 GMT
Sorry...but I think God just answered my question! Psalm 105:19 "until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him." This is speaking of Joseph. I keep being brought back to Joseph. This is a verse talking about Joseph in irons. Joseph must have asked a million times " What is the point???"
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Post by lindajoan on Oct 19, 2016 18:09:08 GMT
Of course, we all know that Jesus said in this world there will trouble. Isn't this true? We don't have to look very far. It is difficult not to find a person without a problem. Our Country: we'll need I go there. We are constantly reminded as believers how much we need the Lord.
The reason may not always be as clear. I do believe those who know the Lord as well as those who do not are watching. It is a watching from afar usually which speaks volumes to others on how we are reacting to our problem/heartache. Our actions speak louder than words. Others notice if we are persevering or giving up. Our desire and prayer should be that we will honor God with this one life He gave to us. Are we praising Him even before the answer? That's when we are bringing real honor and praise to Him. Easy? No. With God all things are possible.
I believer another reason we go through pain is so we can encourage others and let them know we truly understand.
A situation may not change although we still keep praying it will. As the Christian contemporary song says, "Tell Your Heart to Beat Again." May all of our hearts beat again for Him and ourselves.
Love and Prayers to all.
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Post by JeepGirl on Oct 19, 2016 18:54:05 GMT
Wonderbugg, I just never looked at my estrangement as suffering for Christ. Actually, in my case, I believe it is a consequence of divorce and my sins in that marriage(before I was a Believer). I know I am forgiven but there are consequences.
All your other feelings I can relate to. There is alot of pain, shame and suffering in our estrangements and I think satan has a field day with us. He loves when we have guilt, think we are not good enough, embarrassed, and isolate. Because it is during those times we really aren't serving and doing things for others. Instead, we are being consumed in our estrangements and Satan is happy.
It is those times when we are serving others, going on mission trips, involved in ministry that the attacks come....from our family, friends,strangers who don't know God and mock you or make it difficult for you to continue in your work for Jesus. I believe that is the suffering/persecution the Bible talks about. So, we need to call upon The Holy Spirit's power to continue to serve God when we are hurting about our estrangements.I pray for each of us to be able to continue on in our Christian journey.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:52:45 GMT
I found this article very encouraging. I am posting it in its entirety because I am having problems with links. Excuse the size , but I feel it was well written & pray it helps. God loves you and sees every tear you shed and hears your every thought. Our trials of this life is to draw us closer to him and be totally dependent on him only. He will take our brokenness and turn it around for good and FOR HIS GLORY! Sometimes in our sufferings it is hard to see the good for all the bad. In time we will understand and then, GOD WILL BE GLORIFIED. It is really your faith on trial here. When we learn to give our problems to Jesus, I believe our suffering will be shortened and his purpose will be fulfilled. God told Abraham to offer Isaac up as a sacrifice. Abraham was willing to obey, but it was only a test of faith. God didn't want Isaac, he wanted ABRAHAM completely. Is estrangement the same type of test? Or..... are we going to wander in the wilderness for 40 years for a trip that should have only taken 10 days because of our complaining, unbelief, trust?
It is hard, but our answer is in the Lord and the outcome and how fast we see our prayers answered sometimes depends on our behavior. Yes, we all stumble and have our bad days, but we have to pick ourselves up and Cry out for God's help and continue walking forward.
You are in my prayers and I do hope the article helps...
Step into Your Promised Land Today!
Brooke Keith - Contributing Writer 29 SHARES ShareTweetEmail+ CBN.com - “And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29
Just the other day I was thinking about the Israelites and the long trip they made to the promised land of Canaan. A covenant God made with Abraham long before the trip, victory was promised before they even struck out for the land of milk and honey . . . it just needed to be claimed. Even in today’s modern world, however, it would have only taken 10 days at the most to reach Canaan from where they were . . . so why did it take 40 years to reach the Promised Land?
A lot of times I find myself in 40 year mode. A journey that could take me 10 days presses on and on and on all because God just can’t get me to listen up! “Hey, Brooke.” God calls. “Pay attention! You missed the Canaan exit yet again!” (Oddly enough, God sounds a little like me when I do my best backseat driving.)
Do you ever find yourself there too? Do you ever find yourself missing the exit to the good things God has in store for you? If you do you, know it’s not our feet that keep us from Canaan. It’s our minds.
God says “As a man thinks in his heart so he is.” (Proverbs 23:7) If you are stuck in a sour mind set, your life is going to produce sour fruit. If you are focused on the negative, no matter how in tune with God you are, you are going to miss that exit time and time again until you get your thinking in line with God’s.
Now God could have easily given up on the Israelites. He could have looked down and said “Sheesh, people. This is getting old. Canaan is 10 days away and this is plain ridiculous.” But He didn’t give up on His promise no matter how bad their sense of direction was. That’s just not the kind of God our God is.
What are the thoughts you are dwelling on today? Are you living the kind of life that gets you to the Promised Land in days or years? If you’ve been struggling to get ahead for years and you haven’t seen much luck, maybe you are just going about things the wrong way, maybe you are in 40 year mentality mode.
I don’t want to see you take the long way around like I have so many times. There have been moments in my life that my thinking has been so out of tune with God that I felt like I was on a carousel! I would get so close to the Promised Land exit, God would just about have me right where I needed to be and then I would get distracted with negative thinking. Alas, there I’d sit on that up and down pink horse just watching my exit pass by.
If you are so far stuck in negative thinking that you think God doesn’t have a promised land for your life, go back and read Jeremiah 29:11. “For I know the plans I have for you.” God says. “Plans for good not for evil, to give you a life, a future and a hope.” Note the ninth word of that verse . . . YOU! “For I know the plans I have for YOU!”
God has a promised land in store for all of His children and He wants to see you enter into that covenant He has with you. Your Canaan could be the renewing of your marriage, the salvation of your children, being set free from the bondage of illness or just an all around freedom from negative thinking in general. Only God knows what that Canaan is for you but deep in your heart I know you know that He wants to see you through to the Promised Land!
The first step to leaving Egypt is going to be the same as the step that carries you into Canaan . . . you have to get your thinking in line with God’s. But how do we do that? The amplified version of 2 Corinthians 10:5 tells us this, “Inasmuch as we refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).”
God tells us right there in black and white that if we are going to be obedient to our Father and stand up to the whiles of the devil we have to take every thought, every reasoning (doubt, unbelief, excessive figuring things out) captive and then turn it around to match His word.
When you are walking through Egypt and pressing for Canaan don’t let your feet get weary. God will carry you safely in His arms . . . He only asks your mind to do the walking. If you are battling unforgiveness, doubt, fear, anger, illness . . . whatever is taking your thoughts captive, remember, just like the Israelites God has promised you freedom from that captivity. When Jesus hung His head on the cross, you were set free . . . you only have to claim your freedom.
Don’t spend 40 years in Egypt . . . God wants you to step into your promised land today!
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Post by wonderbugg on Oct 19, 2016 19:54:44 GMT
Jeep...you said it girl. Isolate. That's something I have wrestled with. As a people person I've been baffled by my deeper and deeper isolation. No family member will help. It's not that they are trusting God more than I do. It's just that they don't care about the estranged anymore. So, over the past 4 years I have found myself more and more alone in this pain. I've decided to choose the word solitude. Yep, that's it. No more lonliness. This is solitude. Those are 2 different things! In my solitude I'm learning to hear the Holy Spirit more clearly. I believe he shows me I have used way too many distractions. I love distractions! Even church busy ness. But I also see that I have an opportunity to go deeper than most people ever get a chance to do. I have joined a new church close to home. That has been wonderful. I love my new friends. I am serving. I think that will expand as God sees fit. And im resolved to going alone. DH says he's through. I think I need to change my mind on all this daily "lonliness" and think of it as a wonderful gift of solitude. What satan means for harm Im going to start seeing as a gift. My compassion for the hurt and wounded have certainly grown. Thank you for the insights. I do appreciate them.
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Post by wonderbugg on Oct 19, 2016 19:58:26 GMT
Thank you Faith. That is a good article.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:08:31 GMT
I see a "new"wonderbugg!!! This is a path we have to walk alone if need be, but I assure you, Jesus is walking along side you. He will be closer then a brother and will never leave you nor forsake you. Keep in tune with him and go where he leads you and above all, focus on him and his ways. Remember the little bumper stickers that read What would Jesus do. I now know we should ask ourselves that question when we are faced with a difficult decision. I am glad you found us. We are all in this together, but Jesus is among us too! We are more then conquerors !
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Post by lindajoan on Oct 19, 2016 21:22:08 GMT
I am so glad wonderbug asked this question.
What a blessing you all are to me and one another.
One of my favorite sayings is "What would Jesus do?" It causes us to focus on Him.
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Post by 1hurtmom on Oct 28, 2016 2:09:54 GMT
I don't think we will ever really understand why until we can ask God face to face in heaven,by then we won't even care.
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Post by bythestreams on Oct 28, 2016 14:29:58 GMT
Oh how I relate. I have been in this 3 years. My load too is very heavy with 3 daughters and 7 grandchildren. I have survived by continually pouring myself in reads and the Word. Its a tough tough journey. Trying to make heads or tails of it. My growth,sin,theirs, where are they coming from....unsaved? mates ,narcissistic, my codependency etc etc. Don't sit still and let IT GET YOU. Satan is so alive and well in this. One day victorious the next day Satan bites back over and over. Run to the Word,your wisdom God has given. I find too I've told husband when you speak of God's faithfulness to fellow believers they just look at you like you are crazy. They CANT respond. Pity them when you think about it. They don't know that level. I think God gives us those to share with but in time that grows thin. Sooo let others bring it up or just don't. This takes practice and His wisdom. I need prayer tomorrow. In company with unsaved sister and cousins at last aunt's funeral. All people talk about these days and yes brag brag is family and grandchildren. Pray I ll have wisdom to change subject and/or smile because you know what WE ARE STILL MOTHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS and no one or thought can take that away. We are thankful for the privilege and blessing even tho we can't hold them right now. Keep persevering my sister. Praying for you and me and others to go in Christ victory as much as possible and keep kicking the evil one out.
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Post by lindajoan on Oct 28, 2016 16:01:32 GMT
Saying a prayer for you Bythestreams. You are so right the enemy tries to get us down in so many ways. We need to take a deep breath and hold onto Jesus and ask His help each day.
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