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Post by luke2231 on Aug 15, 2016 20:18:16 GMT
I'm just wondering if any of you have had issues with your own parents? My husband and I are having some real problems communicating with my parents. I'm getting a knot in my stomach every time we have anything to do with them (the story is too long to go into) but suffice it to say, I'm wondering if I/we made our EC feel the same way. I don't want to feel this way about them, but at the same time, some of what's transpired has been very hurtful to our family. I'm feeling stuck between a rock and a hard place here, because I know my desire to pull back is as painful for them as it for us being on the other side with our EC. I want to honor them, but struggling with grace... Prayers please!
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Post by byhisgracealone on Aug 15, 2016 21:25:57 GMT
It must be very difficult for you luke, I can imagine. I only have my living mother, and she is wonderful, so I don't have those issues with her. Please don't begin to read into what you're experiencing with your parents to the situation with your EC. It will only make you begin thinking too much about what can't be changed. Are your parents very advanced in age? Have they always been strong willed, or can it be they're beginning to feel set in their ways due to age? Praying for God to give you guidance and peace......
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Post by lindajoan on Aug 15, 2016 22:08:07 GMT
I did not go through this. I am sorry to hear you are having a dfficult time. Is this with your parents or in-laws? You mentioned "pulling back." You know how you are being led by God on this. After prayer and talking with them I pray something can be worked out that would be best for you all.
Saying a prayer for you. Please share more if you feel you can. We care!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 2:43:31 GMT
Luke, I have had some experiences like you have. It is very difficult to cope. I agree you should not relate this to your ec, but, put in use the lessons you have learned from your estrangement. Treat your parents like you would like to have your ec treat you. After all, we don't need your parents joining this site! (lol) In all seriousness, I found once you lose your parents, you never recall the things you did or said in love , but will think about the things you could have and should have said and done. That can be a heavy burden. Pray about the situation and follow your heart. Even now, I am finally realizing why my parents said and reacted to circumstances contrary to the way I wanted them to or believed was right. And you know what? It was only because they loved me. Sometimes turning the other cheek and being slow to anger avoids much conflict and later sorrows. I pray God gives you and your husband peace and understanding and will make a way to restore your relationship as it should be.
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Post by poodlegirl61 on Aug 16, 2016 13:34:47 GMT
Well my dad died years ago, and there were no issues with him, and none really with my mother either, except she can be very self centered. During the earlier part of my life I never actually realized it, but the older I get the more I can see it. For instance, when I was first married she always put such a guilt trip on me if we spent more time with my husband's family than ours, at holidays and so forth. She never thought we should take turns at holidays....she wanted me to spend all of them with her! I was a very young bride (teenager) and quite naive, so I went along with what she said, and at the time my husband never objected either. But we did neglect his side of the family, and it did cause problems. My mother's attitude was they just needed to get over it because after all "a son is a son til he takes a wife, but a daughter is a daughter all her life".. My mother would quote that to me CONSTANTLY. I guess maybe she brainwashed me. Anyway, I did not realize any of this til many years later, and of course now mom is 91 years old and too old to change in her ways. But I can see how wrong she was, and I was wrong to allow it.
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Post by JeepGirl on Aug 16, 2016 17:51:04 GMT
I regret to say estrangements were a part of my life growing up and into adulthood (on my dad's side only). I have read they become a pattern in a family and I can see why. Children learn from what they see and experience. But patterns can certainly be broken, especially when we seek the Lord.
It became routine for my dad and I to have arguments and not talk for periods of time. He was a very tough man and he always had to be right. I always struggled with respect but knowing he was wrong. It took many years for me to accept his personality and to remember that much of it was because of his insecurity and his abusive childhood.
Sadly, my children witnessed and were a part of all our estrangements. Later, they even blamed me for not seeing their grandfather. Funny thing is, when my dad was angry with me, he made no attempt to see my kids. If he did, I honestly would have let him. But, like my current estrangement with my son, they don't know the real story.
When I got divorced years ago, my dad and brother stopped talking to me for years. I got married to my present husband and invited my dad to our wedding, but he refused. I wish my es had invited me to his wedding and I certainly would have gone.
I had faithful friends praying for me and an older woman I worked with (Catholic) prayed for reconciliation for years for my dad and I. I even recall telling her not to pray (forgive me, Lord) because he drove me crazy and I was much more peaceful. I am so thankful she didn't listen to me (as God sometimes doesn't), and kept on praying. Our relationship was restored the last year of his life and I am ever so thankful. It was a wonderful year.
Each of our circumstances are different and because I was older at the time of our reconciliation, and he was really sick, and because my walk with the Lord became more solid and I wanted to be obedient to His Word, I was the one to change. I was more accepting and knew how to relate much better to my dad.
There are times I regret my children were estranged from my dad for years, but there are so many mistakes I made in parenting and I cannot go back and change them. I have apologized when need be, asked God for forgiveness, and moved forward.
My prayers for you and situation with your family. Pray, pray and pray some more. I also pray for God's peace for you. Hugs......
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Post by luke2231 on Aug 17, 2016 19:54:22 GMT
Thank you all for your comments. I tend to over-think things a LOT, and am my own worst critic, so I keep wondering if some of the same habits and patterns I see in my side of the family were some of the contributing factors to EC's estrangement. EC's estrangement actually started a few months earlier with THEM prior to cutting the rest of us off.
My folks often have unspoken expectations and when those aren't met, let us know how just how badly they've been disappointed and/or hurt. They lash out and say things in such an unkind way as to make it impossible to have a productive conversation with them about any perceived or real wrongs. Which causes me (or any of us) to pull back; the less interested we are in doing/seeing/talking to them, the more hurt they become and tell us how horrible we are all over again. They've been very generous to our family over the years, however, gifts haven't been true gifts; there have been unspoken conditions attached to them. Except we didn't know it. It's really a vicious cycle. I've never been good at standing up to the them, like you to your mom, Poodlegirl, and when they won't or can't listen to our "side" I find it hard to put up with their outrage and slurs against any of us. I want to honor them Biblically, but even though we're supposed to turn the other cheek, the Bible also says to season your words with kindness. I'm not saying our family has always been perfect, but it FEELS like we keep turning the other cheek and getting more of the same. I'm sure it looks that way to them as well, but it also doesn't seem as if they're open to hearing what our grievances are. Faith, the loss of your brother makes me want to fix this, sooner than later. Even though they aren't ancient by any means, it doesn't feel to me that they want to fix it, rather, they want what they want and me "pulling back" only justifies their anger and hurt.
I've been working with a Christian counselor who has also advised me to pray for them and to pray for an opening to speak with them. I AM doing that, but between the estrangement with our son and the problems with them, it's all just eating me up inside. JeepGirl, you're right about my kids watching this. I really have a fear about my non-estranged kids getting "ideas" from watching how this is all unfolding, despite the fact that they've been hurt by them too.
I really do value what each of you has said - there's much wisdom in this group! Please continue to pray that there would be an opening and a softening of all our hearts.. You guys are the best and I'm so grateful for this group!
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Post by lindajoan on Aug 17, 2016 21:44:20 GMT
Not sure how old your folks are but after a certain age they get even more set in their ways. Once very old parents often mellow some.
You have the desire to honor your parents and have a relationship with them even though it is not easy. God will help you in this I know. We will pray.
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Post by difficulttime2 on Aug 18, 2016 0:39:10 GMT
Luke, to answer your original question ... No, I didn't have issues with my parents. But I just want to encourage you and anyone else reading ... even if you had issues or made whatever past mistakes ... He is faithful to forgive us when we ask Him. Once He does, we no longer need to beat ourselves up over past mistakes. Obey the Lord first, understand why later .... You take care of you ... Do the right thing and when you do mess up ... like WE ALL DO ... get right with Him and move on. I believe it's a daily, minute to minute process. I know there's difficult people, parents and other family members in our lives ... but they really aren't our problem, leave them in His hands and just behave the way the Lord would have you behave. Ask Him to lift those negative emotions off your shoulders and I agree with your counselor ... pray for them ... Satan doesn't want us doing that and often times when we start praying for those who are difficult in our life, the problems just diminish over time. Be steadfast and ask Him for help .... He is faithful! GOD BLESS YOU.
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Post by cindy on Aug 25, 2016 8:09:26 GMT
This is my first post. I recently found this forum and am enjoying it. My daughter has been estranged from the family for a year and a half. She did grow up during my forty-two year estrangement from all of my relatives, most of whom have died. While I am surprised by her estrangement, I can understand it. In addition to the example I set, we had a very difficult relationship during her adolescence. I thought she might leave at eighteen, but she left at thirty-five.
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Post by lindajoan on Aug 25, 2016 14:52:33 GMT
Cindy, Thank you for joining us with reading and posting and sharing. I am thankful that you found us. We surely do understand and support one another here.
We have all found out how sad and difficult estrangement is in our lives. We all have different journeys but we have a common bond. We need the Lord's help and we need one another. We care!
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Post by everloving11 on Aug 31, 2016 17:40:03 GMT
Bitterness and lack of forgiveness had been a pattern in my family for generations. Only by God's intervention and conviction was I healed from it. My mother could be intentionally cruel and I was deathly afraid of her. I was also raised by a real witch for a couple of years when I was little...so I had a lot of fear issues. Messed up I was (Yoda-speak!) Anyway, when I became the black sheep in our family (when I accepted the Lord as my Savior at 16) God began working on me and let me know my first mission field was my family. That was back in 1967 --- after years of prayer and witnessing and sharing (especially when I was the weakest) both of my parents came to know the Lord before they passed away in 2010. God gave me a portion of His love for my mother which was sometimes so overwhelming I thought I would burst! I was so in love with her and had to share that love - it became irresistible to her. On her deathbed, she said that the last year of her life was both the worst and best year ever - the worst because of the cancer and its pain; the best because of the love. In fact, the same hand that used to hit me as she screamed, "I wish you'd never been born" gently caressed my face as she whispered, "I'm so glad you were born." God showed me that He can do the impossible - He can restore the years the locust took away - He can mend years and years and years of estrangement. All those years of hurt and pain were washed away in forgiveness and we had the best year ever - giving me a lifetime of a mother's love. God is so good.
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Post by lindajoan on Aug 31, 2016 20:18:40 GMT
So encouraging, Everloving. God's love is powerful.
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